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Husband: Thomas ORMANDY died at age: 85 Married: 13 Jul 1878 5 Census (family): 31 Mar 1901 at Belswains House Abbots Langley Herts 6 Born: 1839 in Dallow in Farms Lancashire 7,8 Died: 19 May 1924 Occupation: 12 Jul 1878 Commercial traveller Outram & Co Linen Manufacturers 9 Resided: 1881 at 22/24 St Ann's Terrace St John's Wood Father: William ORMANDY Mother: UNKNOWN Wife: Mary Ann CULLEN Born: 1840 in Langport Somerset 1,2 Resided: 1861 at 7 Upper York Place Marylebone - with parents 2 Occupation: 1861 Dressmaker 2 Occupation: Court Dressmaker and Milliner 3,4 Retirement: 1895 5 Resided: 1925 in Belswains Hemel Hempsted 5 Father: Robert CULLEN Mother: Ann ROBERTS Other spouse 1 Other spouse 2 M Child 1: Thomas William ORMANDY Other name Thomas K Ormandy (see note 1) Born: 1880 in 22/24 St Ann's Terrace St John's Wood 10,11,12 Not living: Occupation: 1901 Estate Agent 13 Census: 31 Mar 1901 at Belswains House Abbots Langley Herts 14 Spouse: Edith BRAUND Sources: (1) Census 1901, "Mary Ann Ormendy age 61 born Somerset Langport", RG13-1323-76-17 SN100. (2) Census 1861, RG09 pce88 fol161 p2. (3) High Court of Justice (1925), 'During the lifetime of my first husband I commenced to carry on business on my own account as a Court Dressmaker and Milliner'. (4) Thomas Cullen Roberts, Letters, 'I don't know very much about the Cullen-Roberts in England, except that the family was quite well off, lived in St John's Wood, the address escapes me at the moment, and that your Grandmother was Dressmaker to the Queen.' 'Some of the children went to St Marylebone and All Saints School, now extinct. I am sure Edith went there and one of the boys also.', 18 Jun 62. (5) High Court of Justice (1925). (6) Census 1901, "Thomas Ormendy age 62 living on own means born Lancashire Dallow in Farms; Mary Ann Ormendy age 61 born Somerset Langport; Thomas W Ormendy age 20 estate agent born London Mary Le Bone; Emily Russ visitor age 23 sex M - tailor - worker - born London St Marys. Two servants Maria Nicholson age 29 - housemaid domestic - born Cumberland Coldveak and Martha Margrove age 30 - cook domestic - born Herts Berkhamstead", Emily Russ- male must be Emil Russ, RG13-1323-76-17 SN100. (7) Ind, MJH: this looks odd - ?Hindle or Lindal in Furness. (8) Census 1901, RG13-1323-76-17 SN100. (9) High Court of Justice (1925), 'Prior to his said marriage to me, the said Thomas Ormandy had been employed as a commercial traveller by Messrs Outram & Co Linen Manufacturers but on the day of our marriage he gave up such occupation and from such day he never had any employment or business and did no work whatever', '1881 Census return shows him as 'Agent Drapery' so he may have continued to work after his marriage'. (10) Thomas Cullen Roberts, Letters, 'According to Mrs Hoyt, Tom ran away and married a Hungarian dancer or actress, much to the consternation of the family. He was disowned or largely ignored and his name was never mentioned. Tom's marriage produced a son who, Mrs Hoyt strongly believes, is Eugene Ormandy, conductor of the Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra, one of this country's finest'', MJH: conflicts with letter of 18 Jun 1965, which has Eugene Ormandy as the grandson - see also HEH's addition to the Tree, from which Tom's children are drawn. 13 Jun 56. (11) Thomas Cullen Roberts, Letters, 'who Ethel [Roberts/Hoyt] tells me was a rather reckless youth, at least by the standards of those days, and he ran away with a Hungarian ballet dancer which caused considerable anguish and his name was seldom mentioned after that. Ethel has suggested that Eugene Ormandy, conductor of the Philadelphia Symphony orchestra, a Hungarian by birth,is the grandson of Tom Ormandy', MJH: inconsistent with letter of 13 Jun 1956 - and not true. 'Who Was Who' clearly shows that Eugene Ormandy is no relation. 18 Jun 62. (12) Census 1901, "Thomas W Ormendy age 20 estate agent born London Mary Le Bone", RG12-1323-76-17 SN100. (13) Census 1901, RG12-1323-76-17 SN100. (14) Census 1901, Thomas W Ormendy - son single age 20 0 estate agent - worker - born London Mary Le Bone", RG12-1323-76-17 SN100. Notes Note (1) 1881 Census return has him as Thomas K FHL Film 1341035 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0162 Folio 91 Page 24